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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:22:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i am not shocked dinsdale was using the wrong ship poorly for a niche it's bested in by a lot of other ships and is whining when it is rebalanced to have its own niche that is pretty unique instead of it being buffed for dinsdale's dumb use
not shocked at all
Well, the Gila is a solid PvE boat. The missiles and drones allow for damage selection. And Laserzpewpew killed plenty of goons with a PvP Gila.
The Gila definitely needed some love with speed and cpu/grid. But it will still be outclassed by other missiles boats or other drone boats, and split weapons ships suck to actually use even if they produce big numbers in EFT. And without sentries, all the dps of this Gila is delayed dps. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
730
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:I'm not saying sentry use is the end of all things, just that having the option is nice, and now the gila doesn't. All around I see it as losing flexibility, and not much of a max DPS boost, or any major boost, in exchange. for people willing to maintain a fleet and use the absolute best tool for the job on an individual basis that's great. For more generalist use cases other drone ships will be better. I don't see that as doing the gila any favors in a game of hardwire optimizations.
The problem is the ishtar, meaning less use of the current Gila. It becomes the "Domi vs Rattlesnake" just with cruisers, unless you need a bunch of passive shield tank, why use a 'Sanke for pve when a Domi can get almost as much dps with just drones (and more with guns) for 1/4th the cost. The ishtar isn't that expensive, but after a pilot can fly an ishtar, there just isn't much need for the Gila which is why you see Ishtars doing PVE stuff in Guristas space rather than the actual Gurista's Cruiser. With the kin/therm bonus, extra launcher and bonused to hell hammerheads that are better against small targets close in the Gila actually has something of an edge over the ishtar for the 1st time i can remember. I'm not kidding, I'm going to fly that sucker till the armor shakes off in Serp/guristas pve.. what missions or PVE are you running, because I can't think of many lucrative ones that plant you close to your targets, close enough that mediums are the best option. I get Buzz kill and gone berserk a lot, and pirate invasion. Forsaken Hubs , Forsaken Rally Points and Havens (pirate gate version) all spawn ships at a central point. And I use ogres not mediums, but after this change it will be mediums. Remember that drones will also be faster. And unlike the people who use Gilas for sentries, I actually have a prop mod on mine and am flying after my heavies.
Eve tells me my drone boat pilot can get 750 dps with Wasp II's in a Gila. I doubt it will get that much using 2 super buffed Vespas. I could make it up with adding missiles, but if I was going to kill rats with missiles I would just go with a Tengu and be able to run much more profitable sites. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
730
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Eve tells me my drone boat pilot can get 750 dps with Wasp II's in a Gila. I doubt it will get that much using 2 super buffed Vespas. I could make it up with adding missiles, but if I was going to kill rats with missiles I would just go with a Tengu and be able to run much more profitable sites.
If you aren't using missiles with a Gila right now, you're already much better off with an Ishtar.
The missiles on the Gila currently don't have any damage bonus. I'd make more isk/hr dropping and orbiting an MTU and putting salvagers in the highs. Overall, why pick a drone boat and then bother with locking rats and stocking ammo?
Ishtar is hands down better at pure drone ratting because it gets velocity and tracking bonuses, so it applies damage faster/better. I think that is something missing from a lot of the discussion of the changes to the Guristas ships. The Gallente ships get damage and velocity/tracking bonuses. While high dps numbers look awesome, the other bonuses mean that the damage is better applied. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
731
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Posted - 2014.04.09 09:25:00 -
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May Ke wrote:Well done. You've killed the Cynabal. I hate you. That was my favorite ship, now it's nerfed. 25% reduction in PG?
I seem to remember you doing the same thing with the Hurricane in the first pass of rebalancing, then brought out the Navy Cane which was the same as the old cane, we just had to pay more for it.
Do you have a new version of the Cynabal coming out, that will be more expensive, but the same ship as we have now.
I hate you. You've screwed up my favorite ship... again.
But look at the bright side. You can now call yourself a "bitter vet" without a hint of irony. Any one can be a veteran, but to be truly bitter you have to have CCP smash your dream and break your toys.
Now get in line with all the Amarr pilots who had to train missiles and drones and learn to love the CruiseGeddon |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
733
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Xequecal wrote:http://i.imgur.com/NpWi1Ux.png
I'm still maintaining that stuff like this is ridiculous. That's a lot of tank and dps for a cruiser, and you can't do this on an Ishtar. Oh, and before someone jumps on me, those two faction mods are not expensive. If one is smart, one will invest heavily in Halo and low grade Halo implants. I'm not at home yet but my eft suggests that 100mn Gilas might end up being a thing lol.
If you fit a 100mn AB you won't be fitting much else. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
737
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:54:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:http://i.imgur.com/NpWi1Ux.png
I'm still maintaining that stuff like this is ridiculous. That's a lot of tank and dps for a cruiser, and you can't do this on an Ishtar. Oh, and before someone jumps on me, those two faction mods are not expensive.
You can already get 800+dps out of the Gila. Ask Laserzpewpew about ganking a hundred goons in a PvP Gila. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
737
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:09:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Xequecal wrote:http://i.imgur.com/NpWi1Ux.png
I'm still maintaining that stuff like this is ridiculous. That's a lot of tank and dps for a cruiser, and you can't do this on an Ishtar. Oh, and before someone jumps on me, those two faction mods are not expensive. You can already get 800+dps out of the Gila. Ask Laserzpewpew about ganking a hundred goons in a PvP Gila. that is less a function of raw damage as it is a function of shooting at the EM hole that most Guristas ratting ships have
That's true of anyone shooting our ratters, be it solo Purifiers or small gangs of Maledictions with EM missiles.
My point is, the Gila can already do huge dps, and the tank isn't getting any real buff. |
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